![]() ![]() So you had a great experience with both the Akkar Churchill and the ATA Hopefully I’m gonna grow into my shotgun too! Interesting story about “growing into your shotgun” I don't think I'll need the shorter barrel option So just a 30” standard shotgun should be fine I really don’t think I’ll be using the shotgun for hunting However, honestly, I really think that I’ll be using my shotgun for clay target shooting only Okay I will look into the Churchill shotguns as well! It makes sense what you said about finding a shotgun that fits my body well, that feels more comfortable etc I wonder if it’s worth me spending a bit more just to get a brand new miroku I have heard a lot of good things about the Miroku’s However, it does seem that the Miroku’s do have a great reputation The ATA had some advanced features found only on guns in the >$3k range, like the forcing cone and the mechanical triggers-most guns under $3k have intertial triggers. I can't comment on the Stoeger Condor but I doubt it will have a polished forcing cone. The other 2 guns were a Churchill and an older Beretta- both did not have the extended polished forcing cone that the ATA came with. I can't recall the numbers, but those in attendance all agreed I had the best pattern. This was based on firing #9 shot at a pattern board and looking at consistency of the shot spread and counting the fliers outside the bulk of the shot. Then the ATA686SE with the factory extended and polished forcing cone patterned much better than other guns I have fired with a standard 45deg transition between chamber and barrel (aka forcing cone). If you measure accuracy as "patterning well" (shotguns are quite different to rifles and pistols in the accuracy regard.) (Which one is better in terms of accuracy) (Which one is better in terms of accuracy) TheFirearmEnthusiast Corporal If the ATA 686 is definitely better than the Stoeger Condor (in terms of accuracy) The ATA 686 sells for around $1000 I think ![]() If the Stoeger Condor will do the job just fine If the Stoeger Condor will allow me to take down clays without too much trouble The Stoeger Condor is very tempting in the sense that it's just so affordable. Start out with what you can afford and feel comfortable with and go from there. Other people at the time had a mixed bag of shotguns. Now in saying that, my mate who went with me was using a Miroku, and a better shot than me, and his shotty also performed well. The guys who were supervising, were seasoned shotgunners, probably hence the high shotties they had. It has been manufactured with two different finishes – walnut stock and fore-end with blued metal, and black hardwood stock and fore-end with nickel-plated metal.Bugman wrote:Just a bit more info that may help. It has rifle style sights, with a fixed blade front sight and a notched rear sight. The Condor Outback model has 20-inch barrels. It also has automatic ejectors, and a selectable trigger that allows the shooter to choose which barrel will fire first. The Condor Supreme has a grade-AA walnut stock and fore-end, and high-luster bluing on the receiver and barrels. The Stoeger Condor Supreme is a model of Stoeger Condor. It is most often used for hunting birds and for clay target games such as trap and skeet. The Condor is relatively inexpensive compared to other double barreled shotguns. In the United States, the Condor is marketed and distributed by Stoeger Industries in Accokeek, Maryland. Opening the action automatically engages the safety mechanism. It is chambered to use either 2-¾ inch or 3 inch shells. It has a vented barrel rib and a brass bead front sight. ![]() The standard model has a grade-A walnut stock and fore-end, blued receiver and barrels, a single trigger, and screw-in choke tubes. There are several models of Condor, with different features and in various gauges. It is an over/under gun, with one barrel above the other. ![]() The Stoeger Condor is a double-barreled shotgun. ![]()
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